vg|52nd EBTC-BBO2,OPEN-RR2,I,1,16,ISRAEL,0,ITALY,0| rs|3NE-1,4HW=,6NS=,6NS+1,6SWx=,4SW+2,5SE-2,4SW+1,2CS=,1NN+1,5CN=,5CN=,2SS-2,3NW+1,4SNx-2,4HW-2,3NE-1,3NE-2,1NS+1,2CWx-1,3NS+3,6DN-2,4HE-1,4HW-1,5DN=,5DN=,2SE+1,2SE+1,2SE+2,4SE=,2DW=,2SW-1| pn|I HERBST,VERSACE,O HERBST,LAURIA,GIUBILO,FISHER,SEMENTA,SCHWARTZ|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SK7432HQ73DQ8CK74,SQT9HAKJT6DA54CA8,SAJ6H842D976CJT52,S85H95DKJT32CQ963|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Aurora: hello all :) Live video from this table on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8tABP26eo|pg|| pc|s3|nt|diana_eva: And voice commentary as well, with Roland Wald who will soon be joined by David Bird and Peter Lund|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s7|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|8|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SK7432HQ73DQ8CK74,SQT9HAKJT6DA54CA8,SAJ6H842D976CJT52,S85H95DKJT32CQ963|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|vugraphzcu: hello all welcome back|pg|| mb|d!|mb|2S!|nt|vugraphzcu: last round for today|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|nt|Aurora: hello all :) Live video from this table on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aE_O5oUFsw|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: thx for the link :) where are the running scores?|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: tournament information on: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/Results.htm|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hT|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: claim|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SAJ9HQT8DKJT76CK9,ST75HK42DQ42CJ742,SK6432HAJ63DA5CAQ,SQ8H975D983CT8653|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|athene: hi good afternoon everyone|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|athene: a bit unfortunate that 2NT wrongsided on that last hand|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: good slam |pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|nt|athene: north must have interest in the grand slam, asking for the @SQ|pg|| nt|athene: but will now settle for six and presumably 1460|pg|| nt|athene: might he be considering 6NT?|pg|| nt|athene: with a weak spade suit - imagine a 4-1 break; 6nt could make with 6@S down|pg|| nt|odysseus69: delay slightly puzzling|pg|| nt|athene: i wonder if they have one bid reserved in these auctions to offer partner the choice between 6 of the suit and 6NT|pg|| nt|athene: Meckstroth in his book talks a bit about this issue|pg|| mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: west hunts desperately for a passive lead|pg|| nt|odysseus69: maybe you are right -thinking and has bid 6NT as I type - noQ but extras|pg|| nt|athene: doesn't find one; looks again|pg|| nt|athene: what do you lead from that west hand against 6NT?|pg|| nt|odysseus69: tough - maybe a heart is passive|pg|| nt|athene: usually against 6NT you lead passively, although that changes a bit if there is a long suit around|pg|| nt|athene: i am not sure if 5 spades in dummy changes things very much|pg|| nt|odysseus69: declarer marked with 2 minor kings - 3 spades 3 hearts and probably a 5 card minor|pg|| pc|h2|nt|athene: i think it's quite easy to construct layouts where any of the four suits is disastrous|pg|| nt|Aurora: Open group B - Running Scores: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=1024&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|odysseus69: if pd has heart jack thats the danger|pg|| nt|athene: well, if east had the @H10 here you just blew a trick|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|nt|athene: will declarer decide from this (agonized?) opening lead that west is the favourite to hold the @DQ?|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|athene: on the reasoning that without it, he might well have led one?|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| nt|athene: of course it's only about the overtrick now|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h4|mc|12|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAJ9HQT8DKJT76CK9,ST75HK42DQ42CJ742,SK6432HAJ63DA5CAQ,SQ8H975D983CT8653|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: first board first swing then|pg|| mb|4D!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|diana_eva: Ciao Rodolfo, welcome|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: ciao diana e tutti|pg|| nt|rcerreto: good afternoon everybody|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|diana_eva: Hi Jurica :)|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|5S|nt|rcerreto: everything is working here|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: ciao, very good teams here, we hope for a great match|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 6 is good, 7 is not but it would make|pg|| mb|6N|nt|vugraphzcu: explanation of certain bids here|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: you can see that on video stream, with slight delay|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: web stream on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aE_O5oUFsw|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|nt|rcerreto: 6NT looks slightly better than 6@s where trumps could be an issue|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: passive lead, but nothing to worry declearer too much on this layout|pg|| nt|Aurora: Open group B - Running Scores: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=1024&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|rcerreto: which suit should he tackle first?|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: how should you maximize your chances here?|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he chose @s which runs just fine|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it's unclear to me whether it's better to play @s or @d first|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: players having a joke|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h3|nt|rcerreto: ho chose @s, let's assume it's right then|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d3|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c5|pc|d7|nt|rcerreto: some squueze in case of 4-2@h|pg|| nt|rcerreto: they happen to be 3-3|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: cash and carry|pg|| mc|13|nt|rcerreto: no swing here, let me foresee|pg|| pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SJTH9D97543CK7654,SQ842HJ865DQCA832,S953HKQ732DJT862C,SAK76HAT4DAKCQJT9|sv|e|nt|odysseus69: the 10 of hearts and an honour feels likely - not worried about missing out on ruffing 4th heart|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|d|nt|athene: 4@C or even 5@C pass or correct from south now?|pg|| nt|athene: assuming 2@H was hearts+minor|pg|| nt|athene: if it is then i guess 5@C looks reasonable, advance sac against spades|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|nt|athene: opps could have any number of spades on up to 7|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|an|forcing |mb|p|nt|odysseus69: 6NT OK again|pg|| nt|athene: if this is a traditional forcing pass, saying "i am not sure whether to double or bid on", then surely west bids on with singleton diamond|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: lightner double less effective when you are on lead yourself|pg|| nt|odysseus69: 7D is a save -1100|pg|| nt|athene: tricky decision for north now; if 6@S makes then 7@D will surely be cheap|pg|| nt|athene: but that's IF|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: i don't know, do N-S play any "clever" doubles in these positions?|pg|| nt|athene: for example you double with one defensive trick|pg|| nt|odysseus69: maybe this is the 1 trick double - partner bids with none|pg|| nt|athene: and then partner passes with one and saves with none|pg|| nt|vugraphzct: yes they do |pg|| nt|athene: the problem with these doubles is, you never know what IS a trick|pg|| nt|athene: aces can get ruffed; kings can be onside or not|pg|| nt|odysseus69: the problem always is what is a trick - or where is the Ace of clubs here|pg|| nt|athene: life is full of doubt and fear|pg|| nt|odysseus69: worse is when jx faces qxx - and to know about that trick is tough|pg|| pc|d2|nt|athene: perhaps this was a sort of lightner double|pg|| nt|athene: north hoping if he doubles and leads the @D2, his partner will work out what he means|pg|| nt|athene: win his @DA, and return a club|pg|| nt|athene: there is just one problem with that |pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|odysseus69: sorry if we are both coming out with the same stuff - problem is that one cant see while doing the 1 finger thing|pg|| nt|vugraphzct: they said it was one defensive trick |pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|d7|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|h2|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SJTH9D97543CK7654,SQ842HJ865DQCA832,S953HKQ732DJT862C,SAK76HAT4DAKCQJT9|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|rcerreto: Sementa is having some fun, not vulnerable in 3rd seat|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|nt|vugraphzcu: maybe he should've opened 1@S? :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: even funnier :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway|pg|| mb|4S|nt|rcerreto: 6@s from W would be a poor contract which makes|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 4@s is way more sensible|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c5|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|d3|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|nt|queequeg_: video in diretta da questo tavolo e dalla sala aperta: http://bridgeditalia.it/2014/06/european-championships-2014-live-video/|pg|| mc|12|nt|rcerreto: live stream from the mentioned URL|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S87HA84DJT632CK96,SA963H7DA7CAQJ754,SKJHKQT96532DK9CT,SQT542HJDQ854C832|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: i guess after p p X p 4@S, south bids 5@H|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|5H|nt|odysseus69: 5h cheap|pg|| mb|p!|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: 5S - 1 too many|pg|| nt|athene: versace's pass really forcing? i don't see how EW have really laid claim to this hand from strength|pg|| nt|athene: NS could have a combined 25 count here easily|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: of course you might think it's best on balance to make the pass forcing here anyway|pg|| pc|hA|nt|athene: i am just saying, i don't think it's obvious - it's not as though you have had an auction guaranteeing lots of strength|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d3|nt|athene: it looks normal to run this|pg|| nt|athene: going up with the ace would be right if south had stiff @SK|pg|| nt|athene: as you could draw trumps and run the clubs|pg|| nt|athene: making even with the @DK over the ace|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| nt|athene: but that is only one specific layout|pg|| pc|hK|nt|odysseus69: west has to double 4H on most hands with heart shortage - he has to have a way of showing that he really has a good hand and thats why they play the pass as forcing - he has to ...|pg|| nt|odysseus69: double with a weak hand|pg|| pc|s2|pc|h8|pc|c5|pg|| nt|athene: well you could argue that west can simply double 5@H to show a good hand|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h3|pc|sT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h2|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| nt|athene: hmmm has declarer not managed to take the club finesse twice?|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S87HA84DJT632CK96,SA963H7DA7CAQJ754,SKJHKQT96532DK9CT,SQT542HJDQ854C832|sv|b|nt|vugraphzcu: thanks for the links guys|pg|| mb|1C|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: I don't have to copy them|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: these guys are really fast btw :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: nice 4@s bid by W|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 5@h possibly a good save|pg|| nt|rcerreto: S is surely thinking that 5@h could be too expensive|pg|| nt|rcerreto: two side kings are unexpected|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: he will take his time here|pg|| nt|rcerreto: someone could object to 4@h with side strength|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: but I think it's good bridge|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|nt|rcerreto: in the long run it makes life difficult on your opponents|pg|| nt|rcerreto: at times, on your partner too :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: nice dummy after bidding spades :)|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c9|nt|rcerreto: indeed|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with a @c void, I assume N wd have lead Q@h|pg|| nt|rcerreto: now, the @s position is (theoretically) favorable|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: but, after the preempt|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| nt|rcerreto: declarer is not that happy|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: again quick claim :)|pg|| mc|11|nt|rcerreto: a small trump from hand would have worked too|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S8654HA96DAQ5CA85,SK97HQJ7D87632CQ2,SQTHK842DJT4CK943,SAJ32HT53DK9CJT76|sv|n|nt|athene: i don't think north would have given the ruff and discard if he was looking at the @CK!|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1H!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|athene: i am a little surprised north decided to play the 4-3 fit rather than 1nt|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: 1D was transfer and 1 hearts was a wek NT (some promise 3 hearts others dont)|pg|| mb|p|pc|d2|nt|athene: i was assuming 1@H here did promise three hearts, or the pass is really peculiar|pg|| nt|athene: (north's pass of 1@H i mean)|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|c3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|c6|pc|dQ|nt|Walddk2: We also have voice commentary in this room. http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=743 for instructions if you are not familiar with the voice procedure.|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|diana_eva: and live video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8tABP26eo|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h8|pc|cJ|nt|athene: declarer is worried that east is the one with only 3 spades|pg|| nt|athene: in which case things are trickier because the last spade would get over-ruffed|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|8|nt|athene: well, declarer got full value from his @C98 there|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S8654HA96DAQ5CA85,SK97HQJ7D87632CQ2,SQTHK842DJT4CK943,SAJ32HT53DK9CJT76|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|rcerreto: in the while, Italy scored 14 imps at board 3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: bidding the lucky @s slam|pg|| pc|c8|pc|d6|pc|c4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|h9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SA6HA875D98653C52,SK972HT642DAKJ4C3,SQJ53HQJ3DCAKQJ98,ST84HK9DQT72CT764|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: 1@D from Versace in third seat, and now what does north do? double or 2@C?|pg|| mb|1D|mb|d|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|athene: now 3@C should be forcing |pg|| nt|odysseus69: 5C ok - will they get there?|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|athene: ok this auction is getting murky, to me|pg|| mb|4S|nt|athene: as far as i am concerned, everything below 3nt is probing for the best game|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|nt|athene: so 3@S should be a spade suit (or fragment)|pg|| nt|odysseus69: 3S was stuck in a corner bid - often useful for 3S|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|nt|odysseus69: dont have 5 hearts - dont have d stop - not primary club support so HELP|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|c8|pg|| nt|athene: maybe 3@S should be a specialized asking bid "are diamonds 4-4?"|pg|| nt|athene: 3nt response says "yes, and i will guess which major-suit finesse to take as well"|pg|| nt|odysseus69: will get messy if he runs spade queen - needs to play Ace and another spade because of club break|pg|| nt|athene: ace and another spade looks ok|pg|| nt|athene: very unlikely spades are 5-2 so you won't run into any nasty ruff or trump promotion|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| nt|odysseus69: thats ok too|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|c9|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c2|nt|odysseus69: well done|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SA6HA875D98653C52,SK972HT642DAKJ4C3,SQJ53HQJ3DCAKQJ98,ST84HK9DQT72CT764|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|2C|mb|2D|nt|rcerreto: either 3NT or 5@c could make in N-S|pg|| mb|d|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: very aggressive 3@d by W|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: hence very fast pass on 3@H lucky he's off the hook :)|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: nice|pg|| pc|d7|nt|rcerreto: now it's a matter of guessing something|pg|| nt|rcerreto: a @s to the A and a @s back looks a good play|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he could see a better line|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d4|nt|rcerreto: no|pg|| pc|c9|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg|| nt|rcerreto: that was the play|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|d8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|h5|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h3|pc|dT|pc|h8|pc|hT|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: as you guessed it :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: once in my life :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SKQT62HK7D5CJ9872,S73HQTDAQ84CAQ643,S54HJ98542DKT972C,SAJ98HA63DJ63CKT5|sv|b|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h2|nt|athene: hands with both minors are very tricky after an opponent opens a weak-two|pg|| nt|odysseus69: wrong moment for 2S- have to take the rough with the smooth - the last 2H opener didnt fare well either|pg|| nt|athene: i think garozzo plays (or used to) 3@C overcall of a weak-2 showing both minors|pg|| nt|athene: but you might not want that when the opener is a 2-suiter with a minor|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|s4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| nt|odysseus69: I didnt notice that 3NT rolled home- it looked down at first glance|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|h4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|nt|athene: well, if the play record is to be believed, north led a heart|pg|| pc|c3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|h5|pg|| nt|athene: and south won the king and shifted to a small club|pg|| nt|athene: which was unsuccessful|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d7|pc|h6|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h8|pc|s8|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SKQT62HK7D5CJ9872,S73HQTDAQ84CAQ643,S54HJ98542DKT972C,SAJ98HA63DJ63CKT5|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|1D|mb|1S|an|4+|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 1@d?|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: 1@d natural :)|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| nt|rcerreto: plenty of high cards but poorly placed and bad splits as well|pg|| nt|diana_eva: running scores here: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=1024&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: thanks Diana :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 8 easy tricks, some effort needed to develop the 9th|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: really good atmosphere at the table, no tension :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: they are nice guys|pg|| nt|diana_eva: which you can see live on video :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aE_O5oUFsw|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|rcerreto: it's pretty hard for the declarer to work out the layout|pg|| pc|h9|nt|rcerreto: but this is not the returm which worries him|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d4|nt|rcerreto: going to cash out|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| nt|rcerreto: endplayed|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: very nice play so far|pg|| nt|rcerreto: an overtrick is coming|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SJT76HJ43DJ8632C9,SQ8HT86DKQTCAQJ42,SA9532HK5DA5CK763,SK4HAQ972D974CT85|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|3N|mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|nt|athene: i wonder if south placed his partner with a somewhat different hand for the delayed 2@S bid?|pg|| nt|odysseus69: but it looks as if South would always be in trouble - I fancy most declarers to make 3NT and so a goal for 2S|pg|| nt|athene: good to have some agreement about these situations - does pass-then-2@S show a weak hand with a long suit, or not?|pg|| nt|athene: or could it be, say, a 5-2-3-3 shape which was too balanced to bid over 1nt, but which wants to compete over 2@H?|pg|| nt|athene: south might have taken the save anyway, with that hand|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dT|nt|athene: but definitely it is a lot more appealing if you think your partner will have something like a weak-2@S :)|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|odysseus69: dont really see the appeal of saving on this South hand at love all facing a partner who did not bid over 1NT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SJT76HJ43DJ8632C9,SQ8HT86DKQTCAQJ42,SA9532HK5DA5CK763,SK4HAQ972D974CT85|sv|o|nt|vugraphzcu: sementa's spirit has only went down a little after that @c return, he was probably thinking anything but that :)|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2S!|an|!s+m|mb|3D!|an|!H|nt|rcerreto: well, not a return which makes the partner smile|pg|| mb|3S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: do you put pressure here with 4@S immediately or too expensive?|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sK|nt|rcerreto: it depends on the overcall style|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| nt|rcerreto: I'd love 4@s but, here, it would be an horrible choice|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: partner is odds on favourite to have @C as a minor|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|simaf: ok |pg|| pc|h6|nt|simaf: from next hand i will |pg|| pc|hK|nt|diana_eva: hi, welcome :)|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|nt|vugraphzcu: I assumed that ruff too quickly, I was ahead of myself. probably it will evetually come|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: hi|pg|| pc|d8|nt|rcerreto: it's always better to think before regretting|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|hJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|d3|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SK4HJT542DT3CAJ75,SA985HQ6DAJ62CQ32,SQJ72HK3D98754C98,ST63HA987DKQCKT64|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|r|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|nt|athene: i wonder if the double promised a *top* honour (not just jack or ten)|pg|| nt|athene: if declarer does play low here he gets two fast heart tricks as opposed to the ace and one slow one|pg|| nt|odysseus69: where is trick 9? he will probably play low here based on Norths dpouble|pg|| pc|h6|nt|athene: that gives him more control and now he has chances |pg|| pc|hK|nt|odysseus69: best to duck|pg|| nt|athene: declarer might well just finesse against the @CJ|pg|| nt|athene: i don't see how he can work out the layout really|pg|| nt|athene: if he can see all the cards he might be able to do something to south|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| nt|odysseus69: think that was a mistake by Lauria|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|nt|athene: now south has a problem in spades|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| nt|athene: does he stick the king up or not?|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|s6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|c6|nt|athene: declarer could have built a spade trick|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|athene: north is completely cut off from south|pg|| mc|12|nt|Walddk2: Wasn't it 1 down?|pg|| nt|odysseus69: dont think so|pg|| nt|vugraphzct: yes it was |pg|| nt|vugraphzct: i will correct it |pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SK4HJT542DT3CAJ75,SA985HQ6DAJ62CQ32,SQJ72HK3D98754C98,ST63HA987DKQCKT64|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C!|nt|vugraphzcu: of course it's always easier for us to see the winning defense seeing all 52 cards|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: but expected play did come|pg|| nt|rcerreto: at times, not even then :)|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d!|an|4+ !S|mb|p|mb|1S!|an|3 cards !S|mb|p|mb|2H|an|gf|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|simaf: dbl shows 4+@s 1@s shows exactly 3 cards|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: I'm wondering whether Sementa's pass over 2@h has some meaning|pg|| pc|h4|nt|rcerreto: normal lead, I think|pg|| nt|simaf: board 7 was a 10 imp gain to israel team due to system very tough to enter after 2@s open |pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: that pass not alerted if it meant anything important|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|nt|simaf: if he put q he falls|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| nt|simaf: and now it depends on defense mercy|pg|| nt|rcerreto: well|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: gets interesting|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he can make 2 @h trick anyway|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| nt|rcerreto: but only in the long run|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|simaf: he cant make it will bbetween 2off to 1 off now 2off|pg|| pc|sK|nt|rcerreto: down he goes|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|sT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|nt|rcerreto: even guessing @h (and how he could?) he had just 8 tricks|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|d5|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| mc|7|nt|rcerreto: 9 are possible but needing good guesses|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SQJ5HKQ4DJ65CKQJ2,SAT73HA52DK984CT7,S9642H9876DAQT7C8,SK8HJT3D32CA96543|sv|b|nt|athene: cashing out is just giving up for one off - i am surprised|pg|| nt|athene: you might as well duck the spade to north and hope for something to happen|pg|| mb|p|nt|odysseus69: a rarity - I believe a misplay from Lauria|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3NE-1 is the code|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|c6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|h9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|sT|pc|s9|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SQJ5HKQ4DJ65CKQJ2,SAT73HA52DK984CT7,S9642H9876DAQT7C8,SK8HJT3D32CA96543|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: would you bid non forcing stayman with North hand?|pg|| mb|d!|an|one suiter|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: possibly, yes|pg|| nt|simaf: dbl is 1 suit |pg|| mb|2C!|an|pass / correct|mb|d!|an|t/o|mb|p|nt|simaf: take out dbl that might be last train |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|simaf: 1 off|pg|| nt|rcerreto: S has no reason to take out the takout|pg|| pc|s4|nt|rcerreto: still, it's not a bargain|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: I was told to lead trumps at doubled partial contracts :)|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s7|pg|| nt|rcerreto: and you were told right :)|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h9|nt|simaf: this lead is not the conservative lead @cl lead should b almost automat but it didnt sell anything |pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s3|nt|rcerreto: also @h looked better than @s given the sequence|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c8|nt|rcerreto: at last!|pg|| pc|c4|nt|rcerreto: but right timing|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|rcerreto: one more trump trick|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c6|nt|simaf: small cl and claim |pg|| mc|7|nt|vugraphzcu: Fisher's comic comment: "Even if you put a gun against my hand, don't play that A@C" on three card ending :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: a better deal at pairs|pg|| nt|rcerreto: very smart of him :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SAKQJ92HQ53DQCKJ5,S7HJ862DKT7CAQ943,S3HAK94DAJ6532C76,ST8654HT7D984CT82|sv|o|nt|athene: some will double 1@S with west|pg|| nt|vugraphzct: bord 9 is corrected |pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|mb|r|mb|p|nt|athene: that should slow EW down, but they probably weren't "finding" 6@D anyway :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|nt|athene: sorry that should slow NS down|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://livebridge.net/youtube/ for live video.|pg|| nt|odysseus69: nearly enough to consider a slam - dont imagine they will get too high|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|odysseus69: only 10 points missing - he will be confident about diamond finesse|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sA|nt|odysseus69: finesse marked|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|cQ|pc|d3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d7|pc|d5|nt|odysseus69: making 7|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|dT|pc|c7|pc|sT|pg|| nt|Aurora: Live video from this table on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8tABP26eo|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|mc|12|nt|odysseus69: what did he do - he had them all|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SAKQJ92HQ53DQCKJ5,S7HJ862DKT7CAQ943,S3HAK94DAJ6532C76,ST8654HT7D984CT82|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 6@s makes|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: but I saw better slams than this one|pg|| nt|simaf: thye will not reach 6@s and probably u dont make it without seeing all cards missfit is what it is |pg|| mb|4N!|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: think again|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with this @d position, you're likely going to make|pg|| nt|rcerreto: but it would be a lucky make|pg|| mb|6D|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: on the other hand...|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 6@d is definitely bad|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: Giubilo had pass half way to the bidding board, you could see that on cam :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: hope he'll move |pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: retracted it, now he's thinking|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzcu: ouch|pg|| nt|rcerreto: the board 9 score is surely wrong|pg|| pc|c2|nt|rcerreto: and this surely a wrong contract|pg|| nt|rcerreto: re board 9 I think that declarer claimed one down and the scorer misunderstood|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: bd 9 was 3NT down 2 east|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h2|nt|rcerreto: yes, here|pg|| mc|10|nt|simaf: board 9 was 1 off at the other table |pg|| nt|rcerreto: in OR 3NT+3 can't be real|pg|| nt|rcerreto: ok, one off makes sense|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: one more diamond|pg|| nt|rcerreto: I wonder what went wrong here|pg|| pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SAT83H76DK874CQ53,S97542HQT54D965C7,SQJ6HK83DJTCJT862,SKHAJ92DAQ32CAK94|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|Aurora: Open group B - Running Scores: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=1024&qshowflag=1|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: 4D = both majors - game only|pg|| pc|h7|nt|odysseus69: 3D = at least 1 4 card major|pg|| pc|hT|nt|athene: 4@D denies slam interest? i'll go along with that|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| nt|athene: i guess at some point the @DJ10 will prove to be doubleton so the @D9 will be declarer's game-going trick|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|d5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|h5|pc|c8|pg|| nt|athene: ...unless he throws a diamond of course|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|athene: it might look obvious to throw the diamond "loser" but this isn't really about losers and having too many|pg|| nt|athene: it's about winners and having too few|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s8|pc|hQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|hA|pc|sT|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SAT83H76DK874CQ53,S97542HQT54D965C7,SQJ6HK83DJTCJT862,SKHAJ92DAQ32CAK94|sv|n|nt|vugraphzcu: your Italian is probably better than mine, you have audio on webcam|pg|| nt|rcerreto: they'll have something to speak about over the dinner|pg|| nt|rcerreto: my ears are too delicate :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|nt|HedyG: http://livebridge.net/livevideo/8/|pg|| mb|3N!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dJ|nt|rcerreto: don't ask me the meaning of the bidding but the contract is fine if not, maybe, from the wrong side|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|d6|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: board 9 result corrected I believe|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, thanks|pg|| nt|Aurora: Live video from this table on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aE_O5oUFsw|pg|| nt|Aurora: Open group B - Running Scores: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=1024&qshowflag=1|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: thanks for the links so I don't have to copy paste every so often :)|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h5|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|h2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c9|nt|rcerreto: at board 11, Israel played sensibly in 3NT|pg|| nt|rcerreto: thus gaining, deservedly, 11 imps|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|h9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|nt|rcerreto: -1|pg|| nt|rcerreto: a chance for Italy to recover?|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: Sementa showing his cards 4 cards before ending :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: one off|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SHK643DAQJ54CK654,SJ543HQ852D93CT98,SAT87HT7DK8762CJ7,SKQ962HAJ9DTCAQ32|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|3D|nt|athene: lauria's hand not that great on the bidding; finesses in hearts and clubs are likely to be wrong|pg|| nt|athene: perhaps 3@H as a game-try now, if available?|pg|| mb|d|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: double is a game try|pg|| mb|p|nt|athene: NS might bid 5@D as a 2-way shot and find one of the chances coming in :)|pg|| mb|p|pc|sK|nt|athene: i.e. 4@S wasn't making but 5@D is |pg|| nt|athene: not much to the play; declarer is going to lead towards the kings|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| nt|athene: his only concern is a 3-0 trump break|pg|| nt|athene: drawing 3 rounds would leave him a trick short|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SHK643DAQJ54CK654,SJ543HQ852D93CT98,SAT87HT7DK8762CJ7,SKQ962HAJ9DTCAQ32|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|3S!|nt|vugraphzcu: to spare declearer of unecessary thinking I guess :)|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 5@d in NS|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: Sementa is pushing |pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: brakes on now!!|pg|| mb|5D|an|brakes :)|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: he's listening!!|pg|| pc|dT|nt|vugraphzcu: maybe this stream works both ways :)|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|rcerreto: easy play|pg|| mc|11|nt|HedyG: this table : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aE_O5oUFsw|pg|| nt|rcerreto: either the aces are on|pg|| nt|rcerreto: or they are not|pg|| pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SAQH86432D865CK96,ST42HKQJD72CT5432,SJ86H975DQJ94CAQ7,SK9753HATDAKT3CJ8|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|nt|odysseus69: not much excitement on this one|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| nt|athene: pitch the club on the heart immediately, then ruff a diamond?|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|c8|nt|athene: then you are trying to get back to hand to ruff the other diamond|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|athene: but east goes in with the @CA and plays a trump|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|s2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sK|mc|9|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SAQH86432D865CK96,ST42HKQJD72CT5432,SJ86H975DQJ94CAQ7,SK9753HATDAKT3CJ8|sv|o|nt|rcerreto: Schwartz looking for fishes|pg|| mb|1S|nt|vugraphzcu: they were favourable on that deal|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|can be 3|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|c8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|sT|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|s9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h6|pc|c5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h8|pc|cT|pc|dQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1ST6HAJ52D53CJ9853,SA3HT986DQJ72CQ76,SJ72HQ73DAT986CK2,SKQ9854HK4DK4CAT4|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|r|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: openin in 3rd seat with any decent suit even vulnerable is a regular happening|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: i don't know what the redouble promised|pg|| pc|d5|nt|athene: if it showed a decent hand, then east must force to game; if it only showed the @SAx, then west should keep bidding|pg|| pc|d2|nt|athene: west could have tried 2nt over 2@S perhaps|pg|| nt|athene: lauria may well have thought that 2@D set up a force|pg|| nt|odysseus69: looks tough to make 10 tricks which they seem to have managed it next door|pg|| nt|athene: well, the clubs are frozen|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|athene: but even so it doesn't look as though you really have anywhere to put your @C104|pg|| nt|athene: ah ok, in the other room they got a club lead, conceding the contract immediately|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| nt|athene: see - that's why you open 1@D in third seat with no suit! to stop partner leading a disastrous club! :)|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|cT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1ST6HAJ52D53CJ9853,SA3HT986DQJ72CQ76,SJ72HQ73DAT986CK2,SKQ9854HK4DK4CAT4|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: would you rather be in 4@s or in 3NT?|pg|| pc|c3|nt|rcerreto: not the best lead, actually|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|rcerreto: a trump lead (with open cards) would have played better|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|rcerreto: @c not only blows a trick, but it gives an entry to dummy|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|nt|rcerreto: not lucky|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| mc|10|nt|vugraphzcu: final board of today|pg|| pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2S92HA96DQ853CA643,SAJ863H84DKJ92C97,SQT54HQT73D76CKQT,SK7HKJ52DAT4CJ852|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/results.htm|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: after 1@C 1@S 1NT, what does west do?|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Live video from this table on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8tABP26eo|pg|| nt|odysseus69: i am with 2D rather than pass - if 2D shows longer diamonds then 2S|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| nt|athene: the defenders may now try to stop the spade ruff (club to ace, trump)|pg|| nt|athene: but declarer may then switch to clubs|pg|| nt|athene: on, say, a heart now, declarer can win the jack, cash @SAK, ruff a spade and lead the @H5 to elope with his @D2|pg|| nt|odysseus69: eventually a high club|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|c7|pg|| nt|odysseus69: as usual i am wrong|pg|| nt|athene: ("elopement" play means trying to score your little trumps as declarer by grabbing ruffs, when you can't draw trumps)|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d8|nt|athene: i was expecting south to throw a spade there|pg|| nt|odysseus69: ugh and ugh again - late in the day for all the players??? -only 32 boards - South should pitch a spade|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|s4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|s3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|athene: ok, he recovers by endplaying north - well done|pg|| nt|athene: ok thanks all|pg|| nt|odysseus69: thx all - lot of excitement in 2D|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2S92HA96DQ853CA643,SAJ863H84DKJ92C97,SQT54HQT73D76CKQT,SK7HKJ52DAT4CJ852|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|an|3|mb|p|mb|2S!|an|5|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h3|nt|vugraphzcu: 54|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|rcerreto: small @h is a good play|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|d2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it comes more often from the A (you risk nothing) than from the Q|pg|| nt|rcerreto: declarer is likely to go wrong|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he did|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|d3|nt|rcerreto: he will be down to find the @dQ|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|nt|rcerreto: but N passed|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| nt|rcerreto: and showed 11 HCP|pg|| nt|rcerreto: sorry, 9|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|rcerreto: right|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|s8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d9|pc|sT|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he found a better way|pg|| nt|rcerreto: that's way he's there!|pg|| nt|rcerreto: why|pg|| nt|rcerreto: bye all|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: thanks all|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: next session tomorrow morning 10:30 local time, see you then!|pg|| nt|vugraphzcu: tournament information on: http://www.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/14Opatija/microsite/Results.htm|pg|| pg||